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How to lower the costs on pool removal

Swimming pool removals are no easy feat. With this in mind, these jobs usually come with a high price tag. Here are some ways on how you can save up on those costs.

Identify your pool type

The cheapest pool to remove is ​an above-ground pool. If you have the tools in your shed, you can actually complete the task by yourself in about 3-5 days. Mind you, a professional removalist can take care of it in a day.

The process is simple but hard to do :
1. Drain water
2. Remove pump/filters
3. Cut the liner
4. Disconnect/remove the panels
5. Dispose or store any of the parts removed. 

How to save:

1. You can ask for someone to drain the water out. The starting price is usually about $250+GST.
2. Keep/store parts that are still useable for future use instead of dumping them. Better yet, give them away or re-sell them.

Actual cost for Pool Removal Perth to remove above-ground pools start at $1,000 +GST.

How to save:

1. Check if your local council allows burying the pool only. If they do you, will save up paying for the fill sand and the disposal of pool shell to a disposal site.
2. If the pumps and filters are still in good condition, you can either sell them or give them away.

Actual cost for Pool Removal Perth to remove Fibreglass pools start at $3,000 +GST and Liner and Concrete pools, start at $3,500 +GST

For the other pool types like fibreglass, concrete and liner pools, the process is a bit different from above-ground pools. Not in terms of the actual removal but because with these, you will need to get in touch with the council and notify them of the procedure.

Once you do, they will let you know if you can just bury the pool or you'll need a complete pool removal.

Pool removals of this type usually involve hand saws and drills which are a bit expensive to rent if you don't already have them. Let's add that to the fact that this is really hard labour...

Check machine access

Most quotes for pool removals are based on the machine that is going to be used to do the job.

A general bobcat (1.9m wide and 2.0m tall) is the standard machine that we use for our pool removals and sometimes, the access our clients have won't be able to fit this great machine towards the job site.

Then comes the narrower or smaller machines (can fit up to 800mm of width) that we use. Now since these are smaller ones, the load that they can carry, will be smaller. Smaller loads mean a longer time. Hence, higher labour costs.

How to save:

1. Most properties will only have a garage door or a small gate as access towards the job site. If there's a very small difference with the height clearance, e.g. garage door, it will be cheaper to have the garage door taken down and put back up. Costs start around $350 +GST and up compared to having to pay an additional $1,000 +GST to your removalist for using a smaller machine.

2. In cases wherein fence and panels are surrounding the pool, it will be cheaper to take them down by yourself as to having them remove it to acquire machine access. Costs usually start at around $150 +GST, depending on how much there is.

Need for a certificate

A compaction certificate is needed after a pool removal because it is a requirement before you can apply for a building permit. However, not everyone knows that there is an expiration for this document. 

A few things to consider:
1. Do you have plans on building a structure on top of the old pool?
2. Do you have an immediate need for a building certificate?

You have to ask these questions because a compaction certificate only has a validity of 4-8 weeks based on possible weather conditions changing the compaction.

Another thing is that, depending on your machine access, prices for such certificate may start from $350 up to $1,000. For a narrow machine access job, for example, the compactor that will be used is a 90-kg plate compactor. A smaller and lighter plate means the job will take longer to complete hence the higher labour costs.

If you want to know more about how to possibly save up for your next pool removal project, don't hesitate to give us a call at 08 6461 6464

Some Pros and Cons of Partial Pool Demolition

Some people often opt for the ‘cheapest’ version of almost anything. May it be clothes, car, even a property. And as together with anything that can be purchased, there are pros and cons to these “lower-priced” options. Here are some of them when opting for a partial pool demolition (decommission-only) over a full demolition.

Pro: Cheaper price? Check.

Of course, let’s start with the obvious — the price point. A partial pool demolition is at least $4,000 cheaper than a full removal of a standard concrete pool. An average concrete pool full demolition starts at about $8,000 +GST up to $20,000 +GST.

Con: Possible Doubled-up Expense

You may have saved a couple more thousands in choosing a partial demolition but in the future, if you have to do subdivision or maybe you needed to sell the property and you were advised by your real estate agent to have it removed and filled before listing the property.

Either way, if you were to pay for the entire process of 1) unearthing the previous fill, 2) having it fully removed this time and 3) have it filled (again!), it’s going to cost more.

Pro: Getting your backyard back ASAP!

With partial demolition, you can get your backyard back . This, procedure only takes a day or two compared to a full demolition which may take 3 days to a week.

Con: No-no for Future builds

For decommissioned-only pools, especially with concrete pools, since the pool shell is still in-ground, no structure can be built on top of the old pool. Until the entire pool has been taken out and the site filled and compacted with a certification, can the location be used as a site for building.

Which one do you plan to have?

Lastly: Getting a permit

It is easy to acquire a demolition permit for a full concrete pool removal. The same cannot be said with the other. This is because not all councils allow a pool decommissioning procedure. Either way, it’s best to call your local council and ask if it’s something that they allow, or not.

We hope that this short list of pros and cons can help you decide with which process you’d like to have when getting rid of your pool.

Things to consider before building a swimming pool

A swimming pool definitely adds a certain “cool” factor to a property but before getting one, here are some things to consider.

Purpose

Just like with any other major renovation or build, you have your reason as to why you’d want to have a pool. It could be for laps, relaxing or recreation. It could also be for your kids, to enhance a view, etc.

Once you have a clear idea of what your plans are, be sure to use it enough to justify about $17,000 (fibreglass) and $35,000 (concrete) and up for just installing your pool.

Type of pool

Concrete and fibreglass are the most popular choices if you’re planning on building a swimming pool. Concrete (steel-reinforced) has long been viewed as the most durable, and the strongest for years. However, recently, advances in fibreglass technologies have increased the materials durability and strength — not to mention it’s cheaper compared to a concrete one.

Size and location of property

The size of your property will determine the size, design and shape of your pool. It is highly advisable to get in touch with your council first to check what the requirements are in positioning your pool near property boundaries as this is the case with urban sites.

By default, swimming pools are easier to build on a level property so if you live in a slopy area, building may be trickier.

In ground or above ground

Digging a hole for installing and removal of a pool is costly but having an in-ground pool gives off a certain ‘permanent’ feel to a property.

However, if you are renting and want to take your pool with you when you move, DIY models or above-ground pool ones may be the best option. There are many options with these types of pools: basic ones (with no filtration system) or larger ones (with filtration) and is enough for laps.

Costs

Installation: Fibreglass pools cost starts at about $17,000 for fibreglass pools and $35,000 for concrete ones. There are also additional installation expenses such as covers, decking , landscaping and fencing.

Maintenance: Some ongoing costs of filtration include, running and servicing pumps and filters. With regards to keeping the water clean, there’s the budget for chemicals, saltwater chlorinators, self-cleaning units and suction cleaners, etc.

Largest maintenance cost for pools is the lining. Some concrete ones will need to be acid-washed every three to five years and resurfaced every 10 to 15 years. Vinyl-lined pools are more prone to being puncture so they should be looked into and repaired in 5-10 years. Fibreglass pools are the easiest to maintain and mostly come with a 20+ year warranty.

Contractor

Word of mouth recommendations are often the best way to get the best contractor. If you’re coming up short on the recommendations, you can go to SPASA Australia and start your hunt for your professional pool and spa builders.

Prepping for pool removal

Finally! You have decided on what to do with your pool. You were also able to book that job with your chosen contractor. Now what? Prepping for a pool removal is really easy as long as you have an idea what to do.

Here’s a quick checklist of the things you need to know before your pool removal.

Site visit 

Based on our experiences, there are some clients that would call, enquire for prices, and just book jobs. Even if that’s the case, be sure that you meet with the contractor first. This is the perfect opportunity when you can ask questions, and discuss everything to make sure everything’s to the T.

Machine access

Once the contractor advises you of the access needed, make sure that it is clear and available especially on the day of the job. Issues with machine access usually entail a price increase. This could be due to the contractor removing a fence, dismantling a brick wall or just use a different machine altogether (a smaller one at that).

tight access for a machine

Missed preparation: A machine gets stuck in a tight access

☐ Getting council forms ready

Depending on the council, some may require for you to accomplish a notification form before the pool removal and some just need to be informed after. Because of this, please be sure to get in touch with your council to make sure that everything’s in place.

Pool removal notification (City of Bayswater)

Pool removal notification from the website of City of Bayswater

Pool drainage preparations

This actually depends on the contractor, by default they will be the ones that will perform the drainage to make sure that it is done properly. This is also to make sure that the water is disposed of correctly (storm drains vs sewer). However, this is sometimes proactively done by the client.

Money

This is a no-brainer – you will need money to pay for the service. However, this is here on this list because of ‘unexpected’ costs. As stated earlier on the Machine Access section, there are times wherein something needs to be done completely out of the plan. This counts for unexpected expenses.

Counting money

Be sure you have emergency funds just in case something goes out of the plan…

Depending on your contractor or the extent of the job, this list may be longer or shorter. Bottom line, before the job commences, be sure to ask all the questions as much as you can to make sure everything is ready to go.

 

Pool removal: Should you DIY?

You have decided to get rid of the pool sitting in your backyard and costing you a lot. You picked up the phone and got some quotes. Looking at the quotes and comparing them you think, “Didn’t know it’s this expensive! I will just do it myself”.

You went online and googled DIY pool removal. You will come across multiple search results and you may think that you can do it. You’ll get the equipment, list the procedure and get started.  

There are plenty of Youtube videos showing a one-day job from demolition to newly level yard. What these videos don’t show is in a couple of months or years later when the ground begins to settle, or sinkholes appear, or improper water drainage creates a swamp.

If you’re reading this, chances are, you’ve thought about it or maybe done some of what I’ve mentioned above. BUT you are still weighing why would pool removal companies charge that much and what does it actually entail?

I will enumerate some of them here.

A neglected swimming pool that needs pool removal

A neglected swimming pool

DIY Pool Removal Do’s and Don’ts

1. Correctly draining the pool water.

Here are some steps as told by Kennards Hire,

“A submersible pump can be used if you have a concrete or gunite pool. However, if your pool is vinyl-lined or made from fibreglass you should think twice. It is better to call in the professionals as these linings can tear, rip and collapse if the job is not done correctly. Before you begin to undertake this task, you must think about where the water will …” Read the full article here.

2. Punching holes at the bottom of the pool.

Correct drainage is just one of the most essential factors in a pool removal. For a partial pool removal, it is needed to cut openings in the bottom of the swimming pool tooth cavity. Depending on the council, they will have requirements on how big the hole/cut is supposed to be.

3. Getting the appropriate machinery.

If you have to break the ground inside the swimming pool, you will require a powerful tool. You’ll have to get a heavy duty equipment that can efficiently break through the solid and stubborn materials. Note that it is expensive, so the wisest thing to do is to rent it out. Another thing to take note of is the labour that goes with it.

A pool removal professional cutting a pool shell

A professional pool removalist cutting a pool shell

4. Gas and water lines.

According to an article created by Blue2Green,

“One of the things that can create trouble for you is the presence of water, gas or any other lines, which may cause a problem in your house. The dangerous part? You will not be able to make out until you break on through. This is something that professionals have to keep in mind as well because the water and/or gas lines can’t be detected until they are damaged. It is important to use proper tools and techniques to ensure that the water and gas lines are safe and functional.”To read more, click here.

One of the most important things for me is to consider hiring a professional plumber or electrician, before you DIY pool removal. You can choose to spend a couple more dollars to make sure it is done professionally or spend it on repairs or hospital bills.

5. Unknown fill.

You throwing just any building product at the bottom of the swimming pool is ruled out as an improper fill. Some councils require a specific type of fill. The Hills Shire Council stated that,

“Only clean fill, or Excavated Natural Material (ENM) can be used for filling of the pool excavation. The filling must be well compacted. It is not permitted to leave remnants of the pool shell in the ground or to use portions of the pool shell and coping as filling within the pool excavation….” Check fact sheet here.

6. Unloading the sand from the truck directly to the pool.

This is a problem with some DIYers that may not know how the process works. If you are, you should compact the dirt in sections to make sure it is progressively packed.

A successful pool removal - hole filled and compacted

Pool hole completely filled and compacted. Ready for landscaping or building

These are no-brainer preventive steps professional removalists take at EVERY swimming pool removal job. Doing it yourself or hiring a person who is without insurance, unlicensed and unskilled may easily cause an accident. DIY pool removal may or may not be for you. If you need more info, please let us know.

Different methods of pool removal

As per our previous article Why People Opt For Pool Removal, we have discussed several reasons why you should get rid of a pool. So now that you have fully decided to go through it, the next question is “what type of pool removal should I opt-in?”

Factors to consider:

– Pool Type (fibreglass, concrete, liner pool, spa or above-ground pools)
– Council requirements
– Budget
– Plans after removal

So, let’s get down to it:

Partial Removal or Decommissioning-only

Procedure:

This is the most common form of pool demolition. This involves draining the pool water out, punching holes at the bottom and then filling it in with sand.garden bed made after a pool removal

 

Applicable to:

  • Concrete and liner pools (depends if the council allows )

Advantages:

  • Most affordable option (ranges from $3,500 to $6,000 +GST)
  • Fastest to complete (typically around 1-2 days)

Disadvantages:

  • The pool area is still considered as a “non-buildable” location. This means no additions or dwellings can exist on this part of the property. If your plans after the removal only involve, building a vegetable garden, lay some lawns or landscaping, then this will suffice.
  • This is something that you will have to declare to your future buyers and it could affect the value of your home depending on what your plans are after the removal (subdivide, build a dwelling, etc).
  • If the removal isn’t done correctly, there is an increased risk of sinkage, swelling, or lack of proper seepage.

Few notes:

– Depending on your council’s requirements, the top rim of the pool can be taken out – 300mm to 600mm from the top (varies) for an additional price.  Price usually starts at about $2000 +GST.
– If decommission-only is done, you may ask your contractor if you can use the rubble as fill. This may lessen the costs for the clean fill sand/soil.
– Confirming with the council if a pool inspector has to be present PRIOR to the hole being filled in is highly advisable. Otherwise, they may not take you off the rates list until they’ve confirmed it.

Full Removal

Procedure:

Full removal is done by draining the water, and all materials including floors, walls, liners, are removed and are hauled away. The empty area is then filled with clean fill sand.

pool shell being cut up

Applicable to:

  • Fibreglass Pools
  • Concrete and liner pools
  • Spas
  • Above-ground pools

Advantages:

  • Full removal is the most affordable option for fibreglass pools (ranges from $3,000 to $4,000 +GST). Partial removal will only double up the costs. It is because you’ll need to have to dig the fill out, cut the pool shell out and then filled again.
  • For fibreglass pool removals, it is the fastest to complete (one day).
  • Disclosing that you have a fully removed pool at your property, it should have little to no impact on your home’s value.
  • Risk of sinkage and seepage in the area is greatly reduced, even eliminated!
  • Once full removal is done, a compaction or Engineer’s certificate can be acquired. A compaction certificate will allow you to apply for a building permit so subdivisions, additions or dwellings can be built.

Disadvantages:

  • This option is more expensive than partial removal or decommissioning of concrete and liner pools (ranges from $5,500 to $20,000 +GST)
  • May take days or weeks to complete

 

Whatever your decision is, don’t forget that we’re just a phone call away to answer any other questions you may have. You can reach us at 08 6461 6464.

Why people opt for pool removal

When you dream or start installing a swimming pool, probably the last thing on your mind is the possibility of having to let go of it one day. This is especially true if you’re building a fibreglass pool that is built to last for decades.

With this said, a business might be booming for pool builders but the demand for pool removal is starting to be strong enough that there are companies that specialize in the service. Here are some of the reasons people decide to remove a swimming pool.

 

Parent’s whose children have grown and moved away from home

An article in the Financial Review described why a retired engineer and management lecturer, Mr John Waters, decided to take out their pool…

“I was a bit emotional at first about our decision to take out the pool as we put it in when we built the house 40 years ago. But now I think it was a very good decision. Our children used to use it and our grandchildren, but now our youngest is 15 and she prefers to go somewhere where she can do a few laps or meet up with her friends. And I was the only one who ever cleaned it …” Read the full interview at AFR.com

This is one of the most common reasons for our clients removing their pools. If the kids moved out long ago and the grandkids don’t visit often, older pool owners can find the prospect of maintaining a pool daunting, from both a financial and physical point of view.  

Green swimming pool

 A neglected, green swimming pool

Safety hazard

I know this is a sensitive topic but in an article written by Olivia Lambert, she mentioned,

“THERE IS a drowning epidemic in Australia, and there have almost been as many water deaths over a Christmas period as car fatalities. We hear the warnings year on year, every summer. ” Read the full article here

Another article from Pool + Spa discussed how a family immediately decided to take their pool out due to a near-drown experience.

“After the horror summer of drownings Australia experienced over the 2016–17 season, many parents of toddlers are beginning to see their backyard pool as a safety hazard rather than a relaxing oasis. It’s a sad (and scary) fact that children aged zero to four are the most at risk of drowning, and all it can take is a moment’s distraction for a toddler to access a pool and drown.

Parents whose children have had near-drowning incidents often aren’t willing to take the chance again. Cousins says he has been called to remove pools the very next day after a child has nearly drowned. “They get scared and nothing can convince them to keep their pool,” he said.”  Read more here

It’s sad that what used to be a fun area for the family is now being treated (and feared) as a hazard…

Courtesy of Royal Life Saving: Toddler Drowning Prevention campaign
 

Maintaining Costs

If someone is sitting on the fence, struggling to decide between renovation and removal, the cost is usually the deciding factor.
In an article from Domain, Adam Martelletti specified the breakdown of costs in maintaining a pool year-round.


“The annual costs for an average eight metre by four-metre backyard pool can be $1400 every year.

Pump
A 1kW pump, cycles 10 hours per day, seven days a week and can cost $112 a month over summer, and $80 a month in winter. The total cost for the pump alone is $1216 each year. A high energy star-rated variable speed pump could save up to $500 per year, the cost of the pump could outweigh the savings.

Heating
Heating your pool can cost a bomb – especially if you’re using gas. Solar Heating is about $100 to $200 each year, electric heating $250 to $750 each year, and gas heating $500 to …Continue reading here 

old swimming pool being drained before removal

Draining pool before removal

It’s natural to reevaluate your plans once you tally up the price of pool removal (that’s why we offer no-obligation quotes!). You may decide that it makes more sense to put your pool in “low maintenance mode” until you sell the house, or when you compare the costs side-by-side, you may find it tempting to double down on your pool by remodeling or just get rid of your pool due to maybe one of the reasons above. You won’t know what the best course of action is until you have all the facts.

If you have questions, would like to know more or schedule an onsite quote, you can reach us at 08 6461 6464 or via Chat.

Pool Removal Perth joins SPASAWA

We’re pleased to announce our membership of the Swimming Pool & Spa Association of Western Australia, we are the only specialist pool removal company that holds membership of the association in WA.

Pool Removal Perth is pleased to be associated with an organisation which holds its members to high standards as a part our ongoing commitment to be the best pool removal company in Perth.

We have been removing swimming pools in Perth for many years and do an average of 3-4 a week, every week of the year.

Our staff are profession and it doesn’t matter where on the property your pool is or what it is constructed from. The majority of Fibreglass pools that we remove are taken out, back filled and tidied up in less than a day.

For clients that need it, we offer interest-free in-house finance and can spread the cost over 12 months for them. We also offer a 10% discount to holders of a current WA Seniors Card.

So if you’re looking to have your pool removed, get in touch with the Pool Removal Perth team today on 08 6461 6464 or click here to request your quote.

What can go wrong with a pool refurbishment

It’s amazing how many pools we end up coming in to remove that have actually been recently renovated by cowboy contractors costing the homeowner thousands of dollars and a whole load of stress. There are generally two reasons that people choose a swimming pool renovation over a pool removal. The first that they genuinely want to keep the pool in service, the second being that they have a perception that refurbing a pool is cheaper than removing it.

For the first group our advice is that they make sure they go with a professional pool refurbishment company and that they check their references. There are a lot of cowboys out there and it can get very costly and stressful if you get someone irresponsible or inexperienced to complete the work. For the second group of people, who think they are saving money. It’s not just about what the pool costs to repair, it’s also about what it costs to own and the negative impact on the value of your property.

A quick search on the Internet will find plenty of people in home improvement forums, both in Australia and abroad, sharing stories of badly behaved or inexperienced contractors leaving swimming pools in bad shape after the repairs. When it comes to fibreglass pools, cracks that have been repaired will never be as strong as the rest of the shell. Repairs can often only last a short while, especially if the person making them is not an expert in doing this kind of work.

Another issue with a fibreglass pool repair is that it can be difficult to match the colouring. Fibreglass fades over time and the repairs can look ugly.

When it comes to concrete and liner pools, once again, it’s not hard to take a look online and find myriad posts that contain absolute nightmare experiences about repairs to these kinds of pools. Liners not fitting properly, bad surfacing one the concrete pour and issues with poorly laid paving. These pools are also generally extremely expensive to conduct a refurbishment on. Concrete pools in particular need regular maintenance and resurfacing, this can make a repair extremely expensive if they haven’t been maintained to standard in the past.

The long and short of matters is that, costs of repairs aside, a swimming pool is an extremely expensive asset. Spending thousands of dollars a year for something that, in Perth, is only really useable for a few months doesn’t make sense. How about a vegie garden?

Have you got any kind of pool in your yard that you’d like us to assess for removal? Our quote process is quick, costs nothing and we’re experts at what we do. We remove 3-5 pools a week for Perth homeowners just like you. Click here to get your quote or call 08 6461 6464 today.

5 amazing things to do with your Perth Backyard once your pool is removed

So you’ve finally made the decision to get rid of that swimming pool but you’re not sure what to do with your backyard once it’s gone? Most of the Perth people we talk to each week about swimming pool removal feel exactly the same way. That said, there are loads of low maintenance, reasonably priced options that you can take to fill in the void once your pool is gone.

1 – A rockery

The great thing about a rockery peppered with succulents or cacti is that you are basically setting yourself up for a zero maintenance yard. They are also incredibly attractive and use a lot less water than other kinds of gardens.

2 – Artificial turf

If you’re someone who really doesn’t want to replace their pool with a whole lot of grass that you’ll have to mow then artificial grass can be a great option. When we took out Marie’s pool she went down that track.

3 – A pergola

Extending your living space outdoors is a great way to make use of the place where your pool used to be. Putting in a covered outdoor seating area is one way that a lot of our customers go when they’re planning what to do with the extra space.

4 – A granny flat

As long as you get a compaction certificate after your pool has been removed then you can build another structure. One that you could potentially rent out for extra income or use as space for guests when you have visitors.

5 – A herb garden

There are plenty of hardy herbs that don’t take a lot of looking after, they’re fresh, attractive and can add something special to your meals too. Consider rosemary, thyme and oregano for hard wearing and low maintenance – not to mention tasty!

 

 

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